Shut 'Em Down

by: Shaun Appleby

Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 00:50:09 AM EDT


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The Iranian regime has crossed the Rubicon in its reaction to nonviolent protest and citizen dissent and is currently executing a slow-motion coup d'état which may usher in a new leadership dedicated to exercising the totalitarian power of the state.

In spite of the role played by connectivity in reporting the abuses of power and the violent repression of its citizens, the West seems unable to exercise any meaningful influence on the perpetrators of murderous violence.  Opposing them merely exacerbates the propaganda of the autocratic authors of this repression.  Web-based repositories hosted in the US and the world at large have become targets of the Iranian security establishment seeking to identify individuals who have opposed the state, a matter of arguably life-threatening urgency for those involved.  If they want to act like a military junta then they should be treated as such.  They clearly are using the Western infrastructure of the Internet for their own doubtful, and internationally criminal, purposes.

Cut Off the Internet
From the network map illustrated it appears, as confirmed by RIS database searches, that the primary Internet provider in Iran, DCI Autonomous Systems, owned and operated by the state and the source of all filtering and censorship, has worldwide connectivity through six transit providers, Turk Telecom (TTNet, AS9121), FLAG (AS15412), Singapore Telecom (AS7473), PCCW (AS3491), Telia (AS1299), and Telecom Italia Sparkle (AS6762).  The regime itself blocked access to five out of six of these providers as part of their premeditated communications blackout on the eve of the announcement of the election results, as shown.  The connectivity through TTnet at the time may have been an oversight.  This demonstrates the ease with which a total Internet blackout can be accomplished either overtly or covertly on either side of the Internet Exchange Point.

If they seek to use the Internet as cultural candy for their population, to be dialed up, down or off at will, it seems that our infrastructure is being used by the regime to relieve a tension which they are incapable and unwilling to manage themselves.  There is also the issue of the economic impact of such a blockade, which would render the economic sanctions the UN seems unwilling to impose irrelevant by interdicting the normal flow of inbound and outbound business related traffic.  The Internet is a development of the enlightened and pluralistic culture which the Iranian leadership has consistently defined as their ideological enemy.  One wonders why they should be permitted to utilise it for their own totalitarian purposes, both domestically and internationally.

It's interesting to note that in spite of legality issues regarding cyber-warfare there seem to be no international conventions regarding the manipulation of routing information and BGP (Border Gateway Protocol) database management.  This is evidenced by recent incidents:


In early 2008, at least eight US Universities had their traffic diverted to Indonesia for about 90 minutes one morning in an attack kept mostly quiet by those involved. Also, in February 2008, a large portion of YouTube's address space was redirected to Pakistan when the PTA decided to block access to the site from inside the country, but accidentally blackholed the route in the global BGP table.

BGP hijacking and transit-AS problems Wikipedia

Obviously this would also restrict international access to PressTV, IRNA and IRIB websites hosted domestically in Iran, thereby cutting off the flow of regime propaganda to the rest of the world.  Shucks.

Whether this is something which could or should be done formally or covertly, either by international convention, unilateral action or at a grass-roots level along the lines of the DDoS attacks on Iran in recent weeks is an open question.  But it's fair to say that international law is several decades behind the technology at this point, creating an opportunity for direct action.  Whether this is done uniformly, sporadically or as a sequence of 'rolling blackouts' in response to Iranian intransigence and behaviour are all options to be considered.  It's times like these when one wishes that in a parallel universe there was an IWW local worldwide of Internet traffic engineers, network administrators and security professionals willing to embark on such an activity.

Shaun Appleby :: Shut 'Em Down
Blackout BBC Persia and VOA Farsi
The inbound broadcast of BBC Persia and VOA Farsi are used by the regime as a safety valve for internal discontent.  When things are going well they permit these services to reach large segments of their population to give the people the illusion that they have access to the broader world.  Now they are being used as a justification for criminal abuse of their own citizens and a scapegoat for allegations of external conspiracy against the state.

Shut them down.  Find some diplomatic request from the regime to cease broadcast and display it in Farsi or transmit endless loops of Ayotallah Ahmed Khatami:


'I call on the judiciary for a decisive confrontation with the leaders of these illegal demonstrations and ask for capital punishment against them without any mercy,' Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, who is close to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said at Friday prayers.

Iranian cleric wants death sentence for demonstration leaders Middle East News 26 Jun 09

The regime is using these broadcasts as both an excuse for their abuses and an outlet for the natural demand for relief from the endless Stalinesque repetition of hard-line narratives from their own leadership.  They claim that these are the source and cause of internal discontent?  Let's shut them down for awhile and see how that works for them.  Let's not give them that opportunity and excuse.

Reimpose Tight Visa Restrictions
The US has a policy of denying visas to Iranian nationals.  This seems to have some immediate relevance:


UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Tehran's U.N. envoy on Friday accused the United States of denying Iran's first vice president and members of his delegation visas to attend a three-day U.N. conference on the global financial crisis.

Louis Charbonneau - U.S. denied Iran official visa for U.N. meeting: envoy Reuters 26 Jun 09

Recent tweets from Iran have indicated a reluctant desire to leave the country in the wake of the failure of the protests due to government brutality.  This is a false hope and another safety valve the regime relies on to ameliorate discontent.

Cease Black Operations Against Iran
The $400M figure bandied about by the Iranian propaganda establishment is not entirely without foundation:


Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country's religious leadership.

Seymour M Hersh - Preparing the Battlefield The New Yorker 7 Jul 08

Forget it, unilaterally drop it.  No misplaced support of the Mojahedin-e Khalq or other groups could possibly produce the kind of opposition which is arising natively from the government's own actions.  Accept their intelligence from time to time, OK, but as far as material and logistical support we should drop it and disown them publicly.  Let's remove the pretence of the excuse and distance ourselves from these indiscretions of the Bush administration.  Iran is heaving under far deeper strains than these covert operations could produce, and from within.

Let the regime stew in its own juices and reap the cultural harvest it has sown without using the attractions of the Western media as an illicit 'carrot' and outlet for their disaffected population.  The thesis of this diary is that there is some merit in imposing on the Iranian leadership the constraints which other military juntas such as Myanmar have created themselves.  It is assumed that in the case of Iran the level of education and prosperity of the emerging middle-class is grossly incompatible with the opportunities offered by the regime and that the intentional provision of Westernised connectivity, controlled by the state, is a pressure valve used for the manipulation of the population for the narrow autocratic ends of their leadership.  

This diary may very well qualify as a rant and an exercise in frustration and emotional exhaustion after the dramatic, inspiring and tragic events of the last few days but it seems in spite of the best intentions of the public in the US, Europe and elsewhere the actual impact we have had on the Iranian's struggle with their regime has been negligible and in some respects perhaps even counterproductive.  It may be more of a barometer of the diarist's emotional state than his sobriety, but it is intended to consider a counterintuitive response to the events of the past few weeks that may in the long run be more constructive to the security and aspirations of the brave Iranians who have placed so much hope in the institutions of the West but found themselves virtually defenceless against the ruthlessness of their own leadership.

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Perhaps Not Appropriate as a Front-page Diary (2.00 / 6)
It was intended to encourage debate on the moral implications of the West's engagement with the protest movement in Iran and the evolving consequences.

Oh, that is appropriate for the Moose. (2.00 / 2)
We're not a news site, we're more a discussion site.

I think there is a certain amount of revolutionary fatigue among people in Iran as well as those of us out here.  The newness has worn off and the questions become more pedantic than profound.

It is easy to feel despair or even disdain today for our efforts of the past two weeks - and perhaps nothing has been accomplished - but I would suggest that it is far too early to forecast the impact that we or our friends in Iran have had.  It is perhaps more usefully a time for us to look at the real possible futures for the country and to ponder what we can attempt to do to influence the more positive ones.

A good friend yesterday stated the possible futures well.  "People think that Iran is going to become Belgium, when really it is more a choice between becoming China or North Korea."  

At the moment it seems that the North Korean potential is gaining ground.  The Police State is ratcheting up its apparatchik and the foundational beliefs of the Islamic Republic are being ripped from the walls and thrown in the trash.  If it continues down this path the infrastructure of the country will increasingly crumble, an exodus that has begun in a trickle will increase to a flood until the machine builds its Wall and the country will become less a regional leader than a dangerous maniac in the community.

It is my opinion that there is no way for the North Korean option to last.  The time is much different and there is no external mega-power inclined to support the creation of another Hermit Kingdom and no likely cult of personality figure presents itself (maybe I am too blind to see I'madinnerjacket in that role).  If this path is followed then it seems almost inevitable that a catastrophic (and likely enormously violent) collapse will follow before many years have passed.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


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That 'Good Friend' Was Quoting Reza Aslan (2.00 / 2)
On the 'Daily Show' the other night and he's got a good point.  I agree the 'North Korea' option is the direction Iran is currently headed and also with your assessment of the likely outcome of that choice.  The regime in Iran has presented the West with an unique opportunity where the kind of 'isolation' I'm advocating is aligned with their current demands and accusations.  It's interesting to note that in Aslan's 'fork in the road' metaphor both futures lead to nuclear capable states.

It's a tough call but perhaps artificially imposing the 'wall' you describe, at least as far as information connectivity is concerned, would accelerate the process to the long-term benefit of the Iranian people.  The timing is an issue, to be sure, and events haven't ceased unfolding internally but it seems safe to say that the regime has broken the back of nonviolent protest for now.

It's hard to accept that the West would simply shrug it's collective shoulders and press on yet every attempt to impose meaningful economic sanctions has been thwarted by Russia and China on the Security Council and the ambivalence of European nations who covet Iran's natural gas resources.


[ Parent ]
That's right, that reminds me I need to watch that episode. (2.00 / 2)
I don't know what the right move is at this point, but I'm inclined to lend a hand towards enabling communication for the populaton at every possible turn.  In NK one of the biggest tools is a portable DVD player - any chance for any person on the ground to have any view of the world that is not government sanctioned is a pebble on the lever.

We have the best interests of the Iranian people at heart, their leaders most demonstrably do not.  Even the "we care for your immortal souls" line won't work anymore, since the spiritual leader is now playing nothing but secular politics.  For my minuscule part, I'll keep trying to let the people in Iran see who has their back and who is trying to stick a knife in it...

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


[ Parent ]
Hard to Say... (2.00 / 1)
Where the best interests of the Iranian people lie just now.  The only thing approaching a 'poll' of their aspirations are the results of a fraudulent election, the estimates of the size of the protest rallies and the disputed count of those killed and arrested.

I guess the question of how to meaningfully 'have the back' of the Iranian people is the discussion I intended to provoke with this diary.  I'm certainly glad they seem to have ignored much of the well-intentioned but inappropriate advice that was broadcast to them by Twitter over the past week.  In fact outside of expressions of solidarity, first aid for gunshot injuries posted in Farsi and protests at Iranian embassies worldwide I wonder just what benefit the engagement of Western participants has achieved.


[ Parent ]
The best political news and commentary is found on blogs (2.00 / 1)
and comedy shows.

God bless Television.  Without it we wouldn't have...

um...

er...

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


[ Parent ]
I can't see isolation as being helpful. (2.00 / 1)
At least, not isolation of the people of Iran. Information is the enemy of tyrants. Blocking the 'Net, cell phone service, or other forms of communication would essentially play into the hands of the gov't. I actually think the 'Net will prove to be a major problem for the gov't. If they remove the restrictions then people will be able to access all of the information that has accumulated over the last couple of weeks. If they don't ease restrictions then their economy will suffer. The gov't is between a rock and a hard place on this.

The same point applies to broadcast services, like VoA and the BBC.

The other ideas in the diary, restricting visas and dropping support for terrorist organizations sound like good ideas. If the regime is truly bad then we should restrict their travel ability. And if they are that bad then we don't need to undermine them, they'll do that on their own. Besides that, there is the matter of morality and message control. We are fighting a war on terror, yet we are supporting terrorist groups like MEK. Bad idea.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


It Does Seem 'Counterintuitive' (2.00 / 3)
I would agree that 'information is the enemy of tyrants' under most circumstances.  But in this case I wonder.  I agree with the Obama administration's determination for 'engagement' yet at the same time it seems so frustrating to have no apparent leverage with this regime.

I guess the imposition of a nonviolent virtual blockade, as opposed to a cyber-war 'attack,' suggested itself because it is within the realm of capability, it would impact on the national security and economic activities of the regime and demonstrates their reliance on the mechanisms of Western technology to achieve their regional geopolitical ambitions.

Whether this was done as a 'rolling blackout' or a serious attempt to isolate the regime is an open question.  Maybe I am just feeling frustrated at identifying an appropriate response of the international community to the cynical and unrepentant abuse of dissent by their leadership.


[ Parent ]
Shut down all Internet connectivity with Iran? (2.00 / 2)
I think that's what you're advocating here. It's a double-edged sword, because we're still relying on tweets for what little news we get from there anymore, but it might be a way to impose sanctions without appearing to do so, if the providers could be induced to suffer "equipment failures" or "technical difficulties" for a time. Or if hackers, who appear largely sympathetic to the resistance, could be engaged in a coordinated effort to cut them off. Then, instead of Iran being able to pacify people with online gaming, they would have nothing, including, as you mention, vital business traffic. It would eventually starve the country and turn it into another Iraq. But would that make it less repressive? Do the Iranian people have the courage and spirit to rise up anew and demand freedom and justice? Are there enough reasonable clerics there to push for change?

~~Cheryl

I love my country, but I think we should start seeing other people.


If anything I think a campaign to increase connectivity might be more appropriate. (2.00 / 2)
We could fly one of the prototype LTA cell phone towers along the Iran/Iraq border and give away free cell communication to all Iranians.   One flying over the Caspian Sea could easily blanket Tehran...



"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


[ Parent ]
Now there's an idea... (2.00 / 2)
But how would the people connect? I'm not real savvy about cell phone technology.

If it would help, we could hold fundraisers to pay for this! Anything to keep the issue in the public eye...

~~Cheryl

I love my country, but I think we should start seeing other people.


[ Parent ]
Unfortunately I think the tech is a little new and the costs a little high, (2.00 / 1)
but it's generally feasible.  

What might be more possible is setting up some free dialup lines that folks could upload to, or other more cheap-n-dirty methods.  Memory cards are so small these days that should it come to a complete blackout trending towards Hermit Kingdomhood an "underground railway" for digi cards could carry a lot of info in and out.

It takes a lot these days to create a real NK-level Hermit Kingdom.  I don't think Iran has what it takes to go all the way down that path.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


[ Parent ]
They can't (2.00 / 2)
Well, they could but folks would certainly rebel.

They're far too hooked into the rest of the world now. Not just for social media, but for finance and trade as well. Like it or not, the leadership is governing a modern nation, and they rely on that technology as much as their opposition.


[ Parent ]
If an analogy for their future is really "either China or North Korea" (2.00 / 2)
then they are still capable of choosing the NK route (which seems to be where the leadership is trying to take them), and down that path anything is possible.

In fact, the problem they have is that from where they are now there isn't a serious step back that they can take.  If they simply stop actively trying to censor everything (they are much worse than even China, today) then they start to lose the control they need to maintain the police state they just created.  There seems almost no way for Ahmadunkindonut to go but forward into the murk or Hermitage.  The Supreme Leader has completely besmirched his Technicolor Dreamcoat, the President is a sham, the constitution is used as a dishrag and the people are free to do and think as they like as long as it's what the Gestapo tell them to - this doesn't translate well into "OK, now let's turn communications back on".

I dunno, right now I just don't see a chance for the brownshirts to step back from the putsch.  They either have to go all the way (and fail, sooner hopefully rather than later) or Khamanei needs to capitulate and try to save something of the Islamic Revolution.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


[ Parent ]
I Wonder (2.00 / 1)
If Khamenei isn't playing Hindenburg in this scenario, the apparently firm but ultimately weak leader who enabled the rise to power of a populist outsider disliked within the establishment but with an increasingly firm grip on the organs of state security.  I still perceive Ahmadinejad as the architect of the putsch and a threat to the established conservative theocracy from within.

[ Parent ]
Exactly (2.00 / 1)
And it's the finance and trade, not to mention national security links which would hurt the regime if interdicted.  There seems to be a trend along those lines evolving as far as DDoS attacks are concerned:


A sharp clampdown by Iranian authorities may have quelled street protests, but the fight goes on in cyberspace.

Groups of "hacktivists" - Web hackers demanding Internet freedom - say they are targeting Web pages of Iran's leadership in response to the regime's muzzling of blogs, news outlets and other sites.

It's unclear how much the wired warriors have disrupted official Iranian sites. Attempts by The Associated Press to access sites for state news organizations, including the Islamic Republic News Agency and Fars, were unsuccessful - with a message saying the links were "broken."

Shaya Tayefe Mohajer - 'Hacktivists' take up Iran fight as streets quiet AP 27 Jun 09

What I am proposing amounts to upping the ante on this kind of activism.


[ Parent ]
I'm Guessing the Caspian is a Non-Starter (0.00 / 0)
In October 2007 Iran, Russia and the Caspian states signed a protocol, the 'Tehran Declaration' with the following articles:


5. The parties state that only littoral states have the right for the Caspian Sea and its resources.

6. The parties state that full legal status of the Caspian will come into force after the convention on legal status of the Caspian sea is signed.

7. The parties agree to ship sail, fishing and navigation until the new legal status of the Caspian Sea is determined. It can be possible only if ships sail under the flags of the littoral states.

Tehran Summit Unites Caspian States on Major Issues News Central Asia 17 Oct 07

An 'end run' by Putin at the time we were threatening unilateral military action against Iran.


[ Parent ]
Yes, That's It (2.00 / 1)
And while it would have been a horrible idea over the past two weeks while the dramatic story of the uprising unfolded via Twitter and YouTube it would seem that phase of the movement is over.  Having watched Twitter obsessively over that time I have noted those twinkling lights of freedom splutter and die one by one over the last few days.

In fact it would appear that the regime is now using the uploaded material to identify and arrest protesters, 'arguably life-threatening' to them now.

But you certainly get my point about the impact of a virtual 'blockade.'  And, no, it would not make the regime any less repressive but it might accelerate the process of the next unpleasant stages of their dictatorship, impose 'sanctions' where Western authorities are unable or unwilling to do so and hopefully seal the security establishment off from the resources to identify and prosecute those who have had the courage to oppose them.


[ Parent ]
Thoughts? (2.00 / 2)
Iran Internet Turmoil Pictures, Images and Photos

Please ignore some inchoherent rambling and all typos (and other errors). My brain is on autopilot.

Whois Data for AS12880 and Commentary (2.00 / 3)
For what it's worth:


as-block:       AS12288 - AS13311

% Information related to 'AS12880'

aut-num:        AS12880
as-name:        DCI-AS
descr:          DCI Autonomous System
descr:          Data communication Company of Iran

import:         from AS3491 action pref=100;accept ANY
import:         from AS15412 action pref=100;accept ANY
import:         from AS6762  action pref=100;accept ANY
import:         from AS21341 action pref=100;accept ANY
import:         from AS9121 action pref=100;accept ANY
import:         from AS7473 action pref=100;accept ANY

export:         to AS3491  announce AS-DCI
export:         to AS15412 announce AS-DCI
export:         to AS9121  announce AS-DCI
export:         to AS7473  announce AS-DCI
export:         to AS6762  announce AS-DCI

Early commentary on the Internet and the uprising:


We've received enough interest about our previous notes on Iranian Internet connectivity that I wanted to give a brief update, and some reflections.

In short: Iran is still on the Internet. As the crisis deepens, people are literally risking their lives by continuing to use the Internet for coordination and communication. Iran's physical connectivity to the Internet is so centralized, and so fragile, that it's within the power of the government to simply "turn it off" if they so desired.  And yet, they have not done so.

Except for a brief period of outage over the weekend, the routes into Iran from the rest of the world have been basically intact, if a bit congested and unstable. Most of that congestion and instability is probably the result of six billion people who are freshly interested in Iranian politics, all reading (and in some cases, yes, attacking) Iranian websites. We aren't making things easier for the people inside Iran, who need that same bandwidth to get out their images and observations and tweets.

To show that nothing much has changed structurally, consider the fact that the same lineup of six international carriers are still carrying the megabits back and forth to the government's monopoly points-of-presence at the Iranian border.  (See the following chart, which shows how the relative percentages of routes to Iranian networks carried by those providers has changed over the last few days.)

Why is it different this time? There seem to be three basic theories.

  • The cynics. Perhaps the government has left the Internet intact so that they can use it to surveil and round up dissidents.  Perhaps they even put bandwidth constraints in place to make it easier to cope with the volumes of traffic that need to be captured and filtered.
         
  • The optimists. Perhaps the government has realized that a modern economy relies on the Internet to such an extent that it cannot be turned off, for fear of disrupting financial transactions and business communications.   Iran's Internet ecosystem is relatively rich, and the impact on their economy of a sustained Internet shutdown would be significant.  Why make it harder for companies to do business in Iran at a time when oil revenues are cratering and foreign investment is looking for reasons to take a walk?
         
  • The realists.  Perhaps the government is too busy with other things to worry about the Internet.   Governments aren't well-suited to run the Internet, and they don't completely understand how it works.   The Internet has never been "turned off" before, and it would take creativity and thoughtful action to figure out who to ask in order to get it done.  So it simply hasn't happened, and probably won't.   Good thing, too, because they might not be able to turn it on again.  

You can pick the theory you like. I guess I'm a realist, but I'd like to be an optimist. If you wait long enough, something good can come out of something bad.

James Cowie - Iran and the Internet: Uneasy Standoff Renesys 16 June 09

The author obviously disagrees with my position but apparently knows what he's talking about.  As for BGP:


Like the TCP reset attack, session hijacking involves intrusion into an ongoing BGP session, i.e., the attacker successfully masquerades as one of the peers in a BGP session, and requires the same information needed to accomplish the reset attack. The difference is that a session hijacking attack may be designed to achieve more than simply bringing down a session between BGP peers. For example, the objective may be to change routes used by the peer, in order to facilitate eavesdropping, black holing, or traffic analysis. Session hijacking is hard to do for someone who can't see the TCP sequence number for the TCP session the BGP protocol runs over, and if there are good anti-spoofing filters it is even impossible. And of course using the TCP MD5 password option (RFC 2385) makes all of this nearly impossible even for someone who can sniff the BGP traffic.

Border Gateway Protocol Wikipedia

Of the six transit providers two are Italian, and Italy has declined to support further sanctions, two are apparently global enterprises, one is Singaporean and TTnet is Turkish which probably presents some problems as Turkey seem to be quite sympathetic to the Ahmadinejad victory.


[ Parent ]
Damn Shaun. (2.00 / 1)
I think I love you.  

Please ignore some inchoherent rambling and all typos (and other errors). My brain is on autopilot.

[ Parent ]
Worth Reading (2.00 / 2)
The latest analysis by Trita Parsi and Reza Aslan:


Iran's popular uprising, which began after the June 12 election, may be heading for a premature ending. In many ways, the Ahmadinejad government has succeeded in transforming what was a mass movement into dispersed pockets of unrest. Whatever is now left of this mass movement is now leaderless, unorganized -- and under the risk of being hijacked by groups outside Iran in pursuit of their own political agendas.

Trita Parsi and Reza Aslan - The End of the Beginning Foreign Policy 26 Jun 09

Worth reading in it's entirety it basically confirms the view that 'the movement in Iran is paralyzed.'


We can't talk this long about Ahmaflakjacket without someone posting this: (2.00 / 2)


"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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