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1. Good morning, Meese and hi, Batch. I was going to ask how your anger is, but I could see that in your post. You think Franken is innocent (even after 4 woman have come forward). I get that. What I keep in my thoughts is, that it is better for 99 guilty people to be free than one innocent be jailed. We can not dismiss these women just because we like Al. He could have elected to stay in and have his ethics hearing. This was still his choice. Most of the #metoo victims didn’t have a choice.

   38 right now with a projected high of 62. Nice fall weather. Now to coffee and the ????

   Fierce

   • Morning Wygal…The problem is that Al’s guilt or innocence wasn’t allowed to play out in the Ethics committee, which he asked for as a person with honor. We can pretty much establish that the first instance, belonging to the Leann Tweeden’s accusations, were a setup by Roger Stone and co. The other accusations have not to my knowledge been vetted as truthful. So what are we to do, believe accusations at face value just because someone, whether it be a woman or a man, says so?

     I don’t think what Ms Gillibrand was doing was anything but grandstanding. The same thing she did when she threw Hillary and Bill under the bus. At that point with the Dem Senators joining her ill conceived stunt, Sen Franken didn’t had much choice but to resign.

     Innocent until proven guilty is still the law and this whole thing has been nothing more Sen Franken being tried in the court of opinion.

     1) Okay, then. I am going to share a couple of thoughts on @alfranken, a man I am proud to call a friend and the best boss I’ve ever had, and on what I have learned (and Democrats should have learned) from him. And then I am going to CLOSE TAB.

     — Andy Barr (@realAndyBarr) December 7, 2017

     Fierce

2. Morning meese…79 and rainy here in Tampa…Cold front moving in…Supposed to get down to 40..

   In summary: ten years ago bankers gambled with all our money, lost most of it, caused a global financial crisis, which resulted in austerity, that was manipulated into anti-migrant rage by billionaire tax-exile press-barons, revitalised the far right and brought Trump and Brexit.

   — Alex Andreou (@sturdyAlex) December 6, 2017

   Fierce

3. {{{Batch}}} – Take care of yourself, please. Rage is always destructive to your health and potentially destructive to other stuff as well. Anger can be channeled so it good to have in bad situations as long as it’s used properly but rage, no. So do whatever you need to do to dial it back down. just please check in with us once or twice a week so we know you’re OK.

   As to Franken – well, it would have been nice if the purity patrol had waited for the Ethics investigation Franken himself called for before sticking in their oars. We do have to be the “good guys” – we can’t play the “yeah, but look at them” game the Rs pull all the effen time. But the folks who bow to the “Dems are guilty until proved innocent and I don’t believe your evidence” are bowing just as much to the Extreme Right as the Extreme Left and doing the Evil Ones’ job for them. Franken basically asked for a trial but the jury of his peers denied him that right and pronounced him guilty without one. (Something has to be even more painful for him than my banning is to me.) That’s the part that really bothers me. There’s a reason why a trial by jury which includes the right to know the exact charges, face the accuser, and present evidence in one’s own defense is written into the constitution.

   But those calling for Franken to resign as well as the rest of us Dems have been calling for investigation into mad king donald’s sexual abuse as well as everything else. So saying that the Dem’s who called for Franken to resign should also call for mad king donald’s is divisive crap – they have been since the beginning. What the ones trying to divide us are doing, well, they’re trying to divert us from calling for a certain other senator who is not a Dem to resign on the same grounds. And I don’t care what they call themselves, they are not Dems.

   Again, please take care of yourself. Healing Energy, lots and lots and lots of it. and moar {{{HUGS}}}

   Fierce

   • {{{Fitz}}} I’ll be fine…I know my limitations and when I’m having trouble falling to sleep becasue all of the crap is bouncing around my empty skull then I know it’s time to take a step back. It’s helped the sleeping problem at least.

     Yeah, I don’t like how this all went down concerning Sen Franken. He was guilty until proven innocent like you stated and what Gillibrand did was wrong in my estimation. Instead of her focusing her imagined purity on Sen Franken she should be focusing her efforts on Trump, Moore, Farenthold and the rest of the right wing. If she and the rest of the Senators that joined her in damning Al don’t turn their sights on the right wing then what they have done will be a wasted effort and the long lasting effects will blow up in the Dems faces while the assholes like Stone will be sitting with smug grins on their faces.

     moar {{{Hugs}}}

     Fierce

     • Wow. Strong opinion there, batch. Nobody can see what the future holds. Take care of yourself.

       Fierce

       • 8 women have now come forward. Franken (with his family’s support) chose to resign. He could’ve stayed in and insisted on his ethics investigation. His replacement will be a democrat.

         Fierce

         • {{{WYgalinCali}}} – Al resigned because he was becoming the focus. he put country and party before his own welfare. He could have insisted on the Ethics investigation going forward – but he’d already been judged by a jury of his peers, accusations are fine/evidence not required, and instead of the bigger issue of sexual abuse in general being addressed it was all about Al. He’s pretty much derailed that by resigning. It’s now up to those who insisted he should resign before the Ethic committee was even formed to broaden the focus back to the real issue of sexual abuse in our society. We shall see whether or not they do it.

           Human beings are not interchangeable. Yes it’s good Al’s seat will go to a Dem. A greenie. A person who has no Senate experience. Al’s experience running twice, serving under Obama as well as mad king donald, comedic experience calling the Rs to task – all very much needed. All very much gone. We hope for the best as far as what the greenie can bring to the table. And hope for the best that the Senate Dems can regroup under fire and close the gaping hole in the shieldwall Al is leaving. moar {{{HUGS}}}

           Fierce

   • Yes, we have kept the Orange Shitgibbon’s escapades front and center. With the number of women on Franken up to 8, we can’t hide from the possibility that he might be guilty. Will we ever know for sure? He admitted to several of the instances but remembers them a bit differently. So…they did happen.

     Glad to see you bfitz. Hope your recognition dinner was enjoyable.

     Fierce

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